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« on: December 02, 2010, 02:57:04 AM »

These are the only range limits I've found for manifesting astral construct:
-The construct must be made within Close range.
-The construct can't appear inside another creature or object.  (Metacreativity disicipline limitation.)
-I must have line of effect to the target area.

Because of this, I see every reason to allow Astral Construct Power Armor.  Here's how:
-Manifest an astral construct of at least your size category.  It must be big enough to cover you completely, but I assume you can fit snugly or comfortably inside.  I advise making small holes on the face for breathing and seeing, and holes in the hands through which to use touch powers and rays.
-Mentally direct it.to act as you wish.  You did give it all the transportation modes you needed, right?

Power Armor: Allies and Mounts
You can manifest this 'power armor' on your allies as well.  They'd go on your initiative and use the STR and DEX scores of the construct while being able to act normally.   Effectively, the construct is a mount that surrounds the target instead of merely staying under the target.

Yes, this allows you to turn normal mounts (horses, ponies, force dragons...) into power armored mounts.

Here's how to make a larger power armor than your size category.
-Fly, levitate, or otherwise hover in the place you want to be when your power armor appears.  I recommend near the face or in a specifically-crafted hole in the construct.

Optional:
-Watch this and pay special attention to 0:16.  Start singing at 0:20.

Astral Construct as a No-Save-Just-Lose Power
With no save and no power resistance, you can make such "power armor" to encase your foes.  They'll probably get a STR check to override the AC's actions, and they can teleport out, but an Astral Construct Mobile Encaser seems like an awesome use for this power!

Skin of the Construct
PS: The feat Skin of the Construct (Complete Psionic 57) is worse once you realize how you can use astral construct by the rules.
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 05:32:40 AM »

how do you get, and stay inside of it?
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 05:34:43 AM »

how do you get, and stay inside of it?
Just because you can't manifest a metacreativity power inside of a creature doesn't mean you can't trap a creature in a metacreativity manifestation...

...A hollow one.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 05:39:12 AM »

cool.. also see...

Quote from: SRD
An astral construct generally appears as an animate clump of ectoplasm with a vaguely humanoid shape, but the manifester can mold or sculpt one according to his or her whim within the limits imposed by the creature’s size. The quality of such “construct sculpture” is determined by a Craft (sculpting) check.

nice idea. i never thought of that....
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 10:32:58 AM »

http://dsp-d20-srd.wikidot.com/ectoskeleton
http://dsp-d20-srd.wikidot.com/astral-juggernaut
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 10:46:57 AM »

Wow... Those are awesome, and make me want to play another Shaper. Big Grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 10:50:56 AM »

Why be a shaper when you can be a Formbound Spiritist/Phenotype Impressionist?

(assume form and related powers/feats/PrCs are basically a balanced version of the polymorph chain)
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 10:52:27 AM »

Because I haven't read those, and shapers are awesome? Big Grin
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 04:59:08 PM »

You know theres a feat in Complete Psionic that will allow you to do just that, called 'Skin of the Construct'.. lol
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 05:01:24 PM »

You know theres a feat in Complete Psionic that will allow you to do just that, called 'Skin of the Construct'.. lol
...Except Skin of the Construct sucks.

Sure, it gives a reasonable menu ability, but it lasts for very little time, doesn't scale, and gives crap for everything else. You'd be better of spending a feat on a psicrystal.
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 05:13:19 PM »

...A hollow one.

And from now on, every AC I summon shall have a hole in the chest and a white mask.


Thanks Lycan. I'll never be able to play a serious Psion again.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 05:18:42 PM »

The Phantom of the Construct?
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 05:46:09 PM »

You know theres a feat in Complete Psionic that will allow you to do just that, called 'Skin of the Construct'.. lol
...Except Skin of the Construct sucks.

Sure, it gives a reasonable menu ability, but it lasts for very little time, doesn't scale, and gives crap for everything else. You'd be better of spending a feat on a psicrystal.
Certainly not disagreeing with you there, but I think a lot of DMs would use the argument that 'Since they created a way to achieve what you are talking about' i.e. giving yourself astral armor, fly speed, what ever from the construct's abilities that the precludes the ability go inventing your own mechanics. Not necessarily the correct line of logic, or even the most balanced, but it is certainly an argument.  And since DMs dont have to argue shit that might just be reason enough 

Also, the length of time is the same as the power astral construct.  I don't see any reason why any extending wouldn't work if you had the requisite 2 psionic focuses to expend.

The fact that it doesnt scale to higher menu abilities and that it lasts for so short a period a time at low levels when it is by and large useful, makes it a very easy to overlook extremely underpowered ability.

I think that a good way of incorporating this idea into 'Skin of the Construct' would be to simply have the feat scale somehow.  That would be up to the DM based on how bad the player sucked..

As far as using the astral construct to 'auto grapple' a subject, I would argue (strictly subjectively) that based on some theories of astrophysics(that I know little about) blended with D&D mechanics, (Ahh the birth of the theory of Dungeon Dynamics) that an astral construct would not enjoy being brought into existence as a 'bubble' (a membrane stretched over and encasing other matter) due to several semi predictable outcomes. The object inside could 'win the grapple check' and move, thus popping the bubble, 'stab through the construct-bubble', popping the bubble, 'teleport away', imploding the bubble, 'use expansion, or enlarge' stretching the bubble +700% (D&D math) more than likely ripping it apart.]

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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 06:02:20 PM »

Does it, ah, matter all that much what my mindless astral construct happens to enjoy?
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2010, 06:20:26 PM »

Does it, ah, matter all that much what my mindless astral construct happens to enjoy?
Perhaps not, but no one particularly 'enjoys' Achilles Heels.

It just seems to me that when it appears around someone, that what you have just manifested is an astral bubble.

Correct me if I'm wrong? Maybe you had other intensions.
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2010, 07:05:11 PM »

I'm envisioning this more as a Green Lantern style effect.  Sinestro used to particularly love to encase himself in giant "armor" constructs.
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2010, 07:31:02 PM »

Use astral construct to make your group temporary power armor, or use it to trap your foes!

PS: Skin of the Construct (Complete Psionic 57) is worse once you realize how you can use astral construct by the rules.
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2010, 07:33:55 PM »

Mindless is the key word here.
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2010, 07:34:27 PM »

You know theres a feat in Complete Psionic that will allow you to do just that, called 'Skin of the Construct'.. lol
...Except Skin of the Construct sucks.

Sure, it gives a reasonable menu ability, but it lasts for very little time, doesn't scale, and gives crap for everything else. You'd be better of spending a feat on a psicrystal.
Unless you have 7 levels of constructor, in which case you can use a Utility Construct and get it for 1hr/level.
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The tier system in a nutshell:
Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2010, 08:37:07 PM »

You know theres a feat in Complete Psionic that will allow you to do just that, called 'Skin of the Construct'.. lol
...Except Skin of the Construct sucks.

Sure, it gives a reasonable menu ability, but it lasts for very little time, doesn't scale, and gives crap for everything else. You'd be better of spending a feat on a psicrystal.
Unless you have 7 levels of constructor, in which case you can use a Utility Construct and get it for 1hr/level.
Haven't looked at that class, but if you're still limited to the menu A abilities than a build with that many levels could typically spend that feat better.
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